Silk Weavers named Collier

A correspondent gave me more information about William Collier (Family 9):

Stage 1

St Dunstan's, Stepney

William Collier
married 13.4.1811
Elizabeth Beech
Witnesses Samuel Beech, Jane Collier

St Mary's, Spital Square

Sarah Collier (father William Collier)
Married 10.5.1847
Frederick Gadderer

Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records 11 Nov 1847

Joseph Collier 17 Virginia Row aged 30 Weaver
(Father William Collier 14 Virginia Row to be examined)
Married 8.3.1839 to Elizabeth Matthews
Aged 30 2 children Joseph 7 & James 18 months

William Collier aged 57 Weaver
Married 13.4.1811 to Elizabeth Beech
Aged 55 8 children Elizabeth 33 Joseph 30 James 28
Caroline 24 Sarah 20 George 15 Henry 12

On 3 Jan 1816 he was passed from hence to Bishopsgate

Selected Poor Law Removal & Settlement Records 1698-1930

Order of Removal

Wednesday Dec 16 1857

Joseph Collier 39 Wife Elizabeth 39
Children: Joseph 17 James 12 Eliza 7
Henry 4 Alfred 2
No 29 Mount St, Francis (?) Mount
He a Weaver Examined never certified (?)
was born in Thomas St, Brick Lane
Married at St Mary's Church, Spitalfields 19 June 1848
(Certificate produced)
- see Examination of father William 1855 - Folio 22 -
Examination 19 (?) in Bethnal Green with person
he has (?) cert and never stepped out of his pauch for that time

Bishopsgate Without

NB A note has been added in the margin:
Joseph born corner of New Nichol
James born in Kagun's (?) Row

1861 Census

13/14 Mead Street Bethnal Green

Frederick Gadderer (34) Wood Chopper born Hackney
Sarah (33?) Wood Chopper born Spitalfields
Sarah (16) Scholar born Bethnal Green
Frederick  (13) ditto
Caroline (3) ditto
Elizabeth (1) born Bethnal Green
William Collier (70) Silk Weaver born Spitalfields
Elizabeth (68) Silk Weaver born Bethnal Green

I had not proved that William Collier had married Elizabeth Beech,
that the couple were staying with their daughter Sarah in 1861 and
Joseph (previously Family 10) was their son.

Stage 2

William Collier & Elizbeth Beech had 11 children including:

- William Collier who was born 14.2.1812 and was bp 10.3.1812

- Joseph Collier who was born 13.7.1818 and was bop 8.3.1818

- James Collier who was born 10.12.1820 and was bp 16.4.1821

During this time the family lived at New Inn Yard and all the bp took place at St Leonards, Shoreditch.

With this additional information,it appeared that this was the same James Collier who married Sophia Thorogood at Christ Church, Whitechapel on 27.3.1841.(see Note below)

This gave us more information about William Collier Weaver 940, Family 9.

Therefore Family 12 was disbanded and the additional information transfered to Family 9.

Brecht One Name Study

Charles & Henry Brecht

There was some activity on George & Mary's sons Charles and Henry

Charles Brecht

In 1895 Charles Brecht married Hannah Mary Hawkins, both aged 24.
By 1901 the couple were living in 11 Suffolk Road, West Ham both aged 30.

The 1911 Census has Charles living at 17 Thomas Street, Limehouse with his wife Julia
(both aged 39)and a son George Charles Barnett Brecht (age 1).

There does not appear to be entries for either the death of Hannah or Charles marrying Julia.

To try to solve the mystery, a copy of the certificates were obtained for Julia's death in 1933 and the
birth of her son George in 1909. The birth certificate shows the mother as Julia Brecht late Sheldrack formerly Barnett
- details of both certificates are in Certificates Held.

Henry Brecht

Trying again to find a 1911 Census entry for Henry's daughter Rose Brecht,
I found that the family's surname had been transcribed as BRAESHT!
- details in Census entries

Contact with Cousin/Baptisms in the name Bracht

Another cousin made contact for the first time. Lovely!

She inspired me to have another look for the bp of George Frederick Brecht. Did not find it but did come across 2 bp recorded in the church as Bracht:

Christ Church, Spitalfields

Elisabeth Catharine Bracht bp 15.10.1815
(Parents Henry Brecht, Colour Man of Fashion Street & Mary)

Charlotte Bracht bp 28.6.1818
(Parents Henry Brecht, Colour Maker of Fashion Street & Mary)

Colin Bower
6 January 2017

Note:

The additional information obtained about James Collier was:

1841 Census

7 Harriet Place (Parish Church, Spitalfields)

Sophia Thorogood (age 16)staying with mother & family
(married James Collier 1842 who gave his address as 4 Harriet Place

1851 Census

57 Charlotte St, Islington (Finsbury)

James Collier (30) Feather Dresser born Bethnal Green
Sophia (25) Tailoress born St George in the East
Caroline Collier (1) born Whitechapel

1861 Census

4 Princes St, Whitechapel

James Collier (40) Marine Store Dealer
Sarah Collier (35)
5 Children including Caroline (12)
All born London, Middlesex